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Browning citori cx vs cxs - 1244 posts · Joined 2014. #15 · May 25, 2017. The Citori CX or Crossover are fine guns. My wife s

30 Jan 2018 ... I seem to have narrowed my choices down to the Citori 725 field and the Cynerg

#1 · Jul 27, 2019. Hello, I'm new here and have been wanting a good quality O/U 12ga for awhile. I came across a browning citori 525 sporting with 32" barrels chokes. …Citori CX Micro with Adjustable LOP. View Hi-Res Image. 2024 SHOT Show Special – The short length of pull and versatile 60/40 POI makes this the perfect all-around shotgun for the smaller shooter. Features an easy-to-adjust Graco buttplate and comfortable Inflex recoil pad. FIND A DEALER TO PURCHASE. $2,879.99 - $2,879.99.Home: My iTraderApr 29, 2023 · Cynergy CX - Over & Under Shotgun - Browning. Crossover design with 60/40 POI is ideal for both field and target duties. Includes ventilated top and side ribs, Grade I walnut stock with satin finish, three Invector-Plus Midas Grade choke tubes included,satin blued barrels, ivory front and mid-bead sights. New 20 Gauge Models.Jan 21, 2023 · Mad Dawg. 307 posts · Joined 2012. #4 · Jan 21, 2023. I have a 2015 Crossover Target, the predecessor to the CX (S) offerings. IMO, the CX (S) platform is ideal for shooting both 5-stand and sporting clays. Remember, the heritage of the Citori line of shotguns is founded with hunting. Both 5-stand and sporting clays emulate "hunting" in the ...The Citori CXS is a versatile over-under shotgun for sporting clays, skeet, and bird hunting. It has a steel receiver, lightweight barrels, Invector Plus chokes, and a Triple Trigger system.Help me Choose: Browning Citori CXS or Beretta 686 SP1. So, I've been looking and reading and researching for a sporting shotgun for my son who's taking to Shotgun Clay shooting in the varying sports. He likes them all, Trap, Skeet, Clays, 5 stand, etc. Basically, if there's a clay pigeon being flung, he likes to shoot it. I've been seriously ...Browning Citori CXS White Adjustable Comb Over/Under Shotgun. Product Family #: 1023116646. List Price: $3199.99. Our Price: $2699.99. SHIPS FREE. $9.99 Shipping. Mixed Availability. Select Barrel Length:Citori CXS White. View Hi-Res Image. Discontinued 2022 SHOT Show Special – Crossover design with 50/50 POI, lightweight barrels, vented rib and side ribs, Vector Pro forcing cones and more. FIND A DEALER TO PURCHASE. $2,749.99 - $2,749.99. MSRP. Overview. Specifications.The Grade I is a couple hundred bucks cheaper than the Grade II, which is two to three hundred bucks less than the Citori CX and CXS. I’m curious to hear any thoughts on the differences between these and if you all think the Hunter Grade I or II would be a good entry point into a quality O/U for someone who will get out shooting clays 5-10 ...Sep 5, 2019 · Beretta Silver Pigeon I will be lighter and faster, Browning CX will be heavier (especially barrels) and slower therefore, I would choose 32" barrels on Beretta and 30" barrels on Browning. Also, Beretta has a flat rib and Browning CX has mid rib so, a better comparison would be between the former and Browning CXS - a flat rib sporting version ...This is a shotgun that doesn’t compromise on the quality of Browning and the century plus of history in building dependable firearms. This series gives you a high quality over/under shotgun that can be had for right around $2,000. The Citori model has been around for a long time. However, the CX or crossover version of this hit the market ...Have you ever reached for your brown sugar only to find it rock-hard and impossible to use? Don’t worry, you’re not alone. Brown sugar tends to harden quickly due to its high moist...Let's dive in and see how versatile this 20 gauge CXS really is. BROWNING CITORI CXS OVER/UNDER. This Browning has as MSRP of $2,529 - I got mine for LESS than that at Reeds Sports. Get a Free TFL Hat... find out how! QUICK SPECS. 20 gauge (12ga available) 50/50 point of impact; 28" Barrel (30 and 32" available) 7lbs ; Length of Pull 14 3/4 ...Dec 30, 2020 · smithbc. I am looking at getting a new O/U shotgun. I have just about narrowed it down to the Browning 725 Sporting or the Browning CXS. The main use for the gun will be Sporting Clays. They both have 32 inch barrels, and the barrels on the 725 are ported. To me the porting is no big deal, I can take it or leave it.Nelson Freeman with www.Shotgunlife.com reviews the brand new Browning Citori CXS. Test model has 30" Barrel, Extended Chokes, Adjustable Tirgger, and a Fant...The Citori CXS is a versatile over-under shotgun for sporting clays, skeet, and bird hunting. It has a steel receiver, lightweight barrels, Invector Plus chokes, and a Triple Trigger system.WinM12. A used field grade Citori or 686 should be priced closer to $1000. The Browning and Beretta O/Us are completely different designs with a completely different "feel". For example, a buddy of mine who is a devout Browning fan wanted to see how the "other side" lives, so he bought a 686 Onyx earlier this year.3". 28". 45". 14-1/4". 8 lb. 1 oz. PAL Required – Requires a valid PAL to purchase. Oversize item – an additional shipping charge may apply to this item. The Browning® Citori "crossover" shotgun is designed to be adaptable to all the clay target games, - trap, skeet and sporting clays - and still be adept in the game field without being ...2749 posts · Joined 2016. #4 · Jun 30, 2019. If the shotgun fits you well without it, the only reasons I know of to get one with an adj comb are: it might make it easier to sell down the line, and, if you ever have the desire to shoot trap, just raise your comb to get it to shoot a little high, as most trap guns are set up to do.6 Jul 2022 ... Browning Citori Hunter 12ga ... Browning Citori CXS 20 Gauge O/U Shotgun Review ... Best Shotshells for Pheasants - 10 vs 12 vs 16 vs 20 vs 28 Gauge.Have you ever reached for your brown sugar only to find it rock-hard and impossible to use? Don’t worry, you’re not alone. Brown sugar tends to harden quickly due to its high moist...I've looked at Beretta Silver Pigeon, which most say is too light. And the Browning Citori CX (or CXS). Going to do my best to keep it under $2500. Will only be ...The Citori CXS is a versatile over-under shotgun for sporting clays, skeet, and bird hunting. It has a steel receiver, lightweight barrels, Invector Plus chokes, and a Triple Trigger system.When it comes to compact SUVs, the Mazda CX-5 and Toyota RAV4 are two of the most popular options on the market. Both offer impressive fuel efficiency, spacious interiors, and adva...Citori CXS with Adjustable Comb. View Hi-Res Image. Crossover skeet design with lightweight profile barrels, adjustable comb, flat point of impact, vented rib and side ribs, Vector Pro forcing cones and more. FIND A DEALER TO PURCHASE. $2,749.99 - $2,999.99.Nov 5, 2020 · If you don’t have to have the latest and greatest check into the Citori CX/CXS (all around or sporting clays) or CXT (trap) models. They’re roughly based on the older Citori models and are the sweet spot for price. They don’t use the newest choke tubes or have ported barrels like the Citori 725, but they’re solid buys.Whether you are an archer, a sport shooter or a hunter, our staff will be able to help you find everything you require to enjoy the Canadian Shooting Sports and ...1244 posts · Joined 2014. #15 · May 25, 2017. The Citori CX or Crossover are fine guns. My wife shoots the Micro with 13.5'' LOP and I have the Crossover. On sale $1599 at Cabela's or checkout Matt at Joel Etchen Guns for great service and advice.Citori CXS with Adjustable Comb. View Hi-Res Image. Crossover skeet design with lightweight profile barrels, adjustable comb, flat point of impact, vented rib and side ribs, Vector Pro forcing cones and more. FIND A DEALER TO PURCHASE. $2,749.99 - $2,999.99.Browning Citori CXS 12 Gauge 3in Over Under Shotgun - 28in - The CXS specializes in great handling, target acquisition and consistency for the sporting/skeet shooter who also wants to take his shotgun hunting. Dimensioned for consistent shooting on the range, its 50/50 POI lets you move to upland hunting perfectly. It has all the best sporting features …I have a 20 gauge CXS and a 12 gauge CX...love them both, and the CXS is definitely slimmer and lighter. It's still a substantial gun overall and is perfect for skeet. I'd say the CXS runs about a pound less than the 12 CX. Both have 30" barrels. I currently have a pair of Briley .410 tubes for the CXS and just sent the barrels to them to have ...Wanting to get my wife involved in sporting clays and wondering which gun would be the better choice. Looking at the 20 gauge with 26 inch barrels of both the citori cxs micro and the Cynergy micro Midas. Going to start her in the trap game and go from there. Any thoughts or experience would be appreciated. Deron, Oct 4, 2019.3". 28". 45". 14-1/4". 8 lb. 1 oz. PAL Required – Requires a valid PAL to purchase. Oversize item – an additional shipping charge may apply to this item. The Browning® Citori "crossover" shotgun is designed to be adaptable to all the clay target games, - trap, skeet and sporting clays - and still be adept in the game field without being ...Beretta 686 Siver Pigeon vs Browning Citori Hunter: Welcome to our first ever over-under shotgun showdown. I enjoyed reviewing both the 686 Silver Pigeon and...22 posts · Joined 2015. #5 · Apr 10, 2017. Regarding the Citori CXS, interestingly, last week the Browning website had listed the weight of the 32" as 8 lbs 6oz, but sometime on Thursday or Friday, like the glitch in The Matrix, changed this to 7 lbs 14oz. Perhaps Browning just received their first shipment from Miroku and actually weighed ...Looks like the same gun. Browning Citori CXS. Browning Citori CXS White. Receiver color is the only difference I believe. Imo get the white I own the cx in the blued reciver and the blueing wears off pretty fast my forend latch is almost bare metal because of me touching it. The white will have a little nicer wood and the finish won’t rub off.I have both. The CXS is advertised as a 50/50 gun, the 725 as a 60/40. Of course that will vary based on fit but I find it to be accurate. 725 has Browning's version of mechanical trigger vs the inertia trigger on the CXS. They feel the same to me LOP is the same on both. CXS sight is an ivory bead vs Hi Viz plastic for the 725. Either one ...2749 posts · Joined 2016. #4 · Jun 30, 2019. If the shotgun fits you well without it, the only reasons I know of to get one with an adj comb are: it might make it easier to sell down the line, and, if you ever have the desire to shoot trap, just raise your comb to get it to shoot a little high, as most trap guns are set up to do.Cynergy CX. Crossover design with 60/40 POI is ideal for both field and target duties. Includes ventilated top and side ribs, Grade I walnut stock with satin finish, three Invector-Plus Midas Grade choke tubes included,satin blued barrels, ivory front and mid-bead sights. New 20 Gauge Models.13 posts · Joined 2010. #1 · Dec 21, 2019. I thought I would share my review of my latest purchase: a Browning Citori CX 12 gauge, 30" barrels, adjustable comb, and adjustable butt plate, fitted with a Kick-Eez pad. I purchased it from Joel Etchen, who put in the adjustable comb and butt plate and recoil pad. As modified, the gun cost $2400.Citori CX White. View Hi-Res Image. Discontinued 2022 SHOT Show Special – Grade II American walnut stock, gloss finish, silver nitride receiver, floating rib with ivory bead sight, hunt/clay/skeet/trap crossover model. FIND A DEALER TO PURCHASE. $2,679.99 - $2,679.99. MSRP.I know no one really has any experience with these being that they are so new, but based on previous experience, especially of owners of the Cynergy line. I am leaning towards the Cynergy Cx because of price, the "lower" slope of the rib, and the satin stock. I used to have an older version of the Citori "Special Sporting Clays" back in the ...In my view the most significant changes between the two is the difference in the Fit and the triggers. I have two Beretta 686's (20 & 12) and a 1992 vintage Browning Citori Sporting Clays model in 12 gage. There is a notably different in the height dimensions between the two and I don't notice any difference at all in how the 2 shoot.S. The Browning Citori CXS is an outstanding shotgun that offers reliable performance with advanced features such as high-end recoil reduction and brilliant accuracy. It is one of the most respected shotguns in the market and has been a favorite of many hunters and shotgun enthusiasts all around the world. Designed with a sleek and lightweight ...1 Dec 2023 ... ... Browning Citori CXS 1️⃣ Beretta 686 Silver Pigeon I Sporting Our goal is to provide you with valuable insights to assist you in ...The CXT's are set up to shoot with 60% of the pattern above the centerline and 40% below for the "average" shooter, who ever that is. I shoot a 70/30 gun and a lot of very good shooters go higher than that. All that said it is unlikely you would want to "lower" your comb for trap and the purpose of an adjustable comb is for side alignment of ...Browning Citori CXS 12 Gauge 3in Over Under Shotgun - 28in - The CXS specializes in great handling, target acquisition and consistency for the sporting/skeet shooter who also wants to take his shotgun hunting. Dimensioned for consistent shooting on the range, its 50/50 POI lets you move to upland hunting perfectly. It has all the best sporting features like Invector-Plus Midas grade tubes, the ...The Browning Citori CXS White Shotgun specializes in great handling, target acquisition and consistency for sporting/skeet shooters who also want to take their shotgun hunting. Dimensioned for consistent shooting on the range, its 50/50 POI lets you move from sport shooting to upland hunting perfectly. It has all the best sporting features like ...Browning Citori CXS Over-Under Shotgun 20 Gauge 2 RD 28". $2,529.99 (Save up to 13%)Beretta Silver Pigeon I will be lighter and faster, Browning CX will be heavier (especially barrels) and slower therefore, I would choose 32" barrels on Beretta and 30" barrels on Browning. Also, Beretta has a flat rib and Browning CX has mid rib so, a better comparison would be between the former and Browning CXS - a flat rib sporting version ...21 Apr 2022 ... Beretta 686 Siver Pigeon vs Browning Citori Hunter: Welcome to our first ever over-under shotgun showdown. I enjoyed reviewing both the 686 ...Citori CXS with Adjustable Comb. View Hi-Res Image. Crossover skeet design with lightweight profile barrels, adjustable comb, flat point of impact, vented rib and side ribs, Vector Pro forcing cones and more. FIND A DEALER TO PURCHASE. $2,749.99 - $2,999.99.Nothing with cast on stocks for lefties around - these both have fairly neutral cast. Both point pretty well for me and I know the difference in features and of course the 725 has a few to my liking . All things considered I'm leaning towards the CXS . Probably due to the big price difference. street price is about $1950 CXS - $ 2850 - 725.Feb 1, 2022 · Citori CXS with Adjustable Comb - Over & Under Shotgun - Browning. 60/40 vs 50/50 pattern. "rib height" one has a flat rib . the other has a razed rib. The CXS has a longer LOP. The wife loves her CX as a "do everything" trap / skeet / sporting gun. Not too heavy for her in 30". She did not try a 28". The relatively short LOP was great for a ...A discoloration of the tongue, most often called black hairy tongue, is often caused by bacteria or yeast growth. The tongue discoloration may appear in a variety of shades, includ...Crossover perfection. The CXS specializes in great handling, target acquisition and consistency for the sporting/skeet shooter who also wants to take his shotgun hunting.Dimensioned for consistent shooting on the range, its 50/50 POI lets you move to upland hunting perfectly. It has all the best sporting features like Invector-Plus Midas grade tubes, the triple trigger system, and a mid bead.Shop Hinterland Outfitters for Browning Citori shotguns, as well as a full range of other Browning Firearms and accessories. Best selection and prices on Browning products. ... Browning Citori CXS White Shotgun | 018148304 12 Gauge, 28", 3", Over/Under, Grade III/IV Walnut Gloss, Polished Blued, Silver Receiver, 2 ... Browning 018183304 Citori ...I might be wrong but scarce stock availability for those old long tang guns. plus the fact of blue wear on the tang might negatively affect their value. There is no difference in quality between my 1984 Citori Trap with long tang vs. my current Citori CXT short tang. The newer 2018 CXT is far more desirable to shoot IMHO.Or you may not even notice a feel difference between the Beretta 20 ga. vs the Browning 20 ga. Just in 12 ga. there is a difference between the CX & the CXS. The Citori CX 12 is a bit heavier then the CXS 12 ga. making them feel different. Some prefer the extra weight of the CX for clays & some like the lighter CXS as a more all around gun.Virtual reality (VR) has revolutionized the way we experience digital content. With devices like the Oculus Quest 2, users can immerse themselves in a world of gaming, entertainmen...Finally found some time to break in my new shotgun. Drove up to L.A. Clays Shooting Park to destroy a bunch of clay birds!The Citori CXS Combo comes with a 12 and 20 Gauge barrel set, either 32" or 30" long. A new concept in getting more for your money. The Browning Citori “crossover” shotgun is designed to be adaptable to all the clay target games, - trap, skeet and sporting clays - and still be adept in the game field without being too heavy or cumbersome to ...Compare them for fit. I had the same debate and found the cynergy had too much drop at comb for me and my eye was too low in relation to the rib. Citori cx fit better and I’ve been really happy with it. I shoot mainly trap with it but intend to start sporting clays soon. 1.#1 · Apr 4, 2017. A couple of months ago I purchased a Citori CX with 32" barrels. I have used it three times in our current Sporting Clays League. It seems to fit me better than …177 posts · Joined 2017. #1 · Oct 18, 2017. I have a Citori Crossover 12 ga 32" [first gen with the 60/40 POI] and it fit and shot quite well for me at skeet and trap. Now looking for a 20 ga skeet gun; the new 'CXS' model looks pretty attractive and I can get a good deal on a 30" 20 ga version. This model is supposed to be 50/50 POI which ...I unfortunately cannot say the same of of my last Browning purchase, a Cynergy CXS. It cost less than the Rizzini, so it's not a completely fair comparison, but the gun was generally disappointing and left a bad enough taste in my mouth that I don't really consider Browning when purchasing firearms. My first real sporting gun, after the …Citori Hunter Grade I. New Gauge Reliable over and under shotgun with gloss finish metalwork and gold enhancement on receiver. Satin finish Grade I American walnut stock with Inflex recoil pad, silver bead front sight, three flush choke tubes included. New 3" Chamber in 28 Gauge.#browning #browningcitori #browningcitoricx #browningcitoricxreview The Browning Citori Cx is a premiere over-under shotgun that can be used for trap shootin...Browning Citori CXS White Adjustable Comb Over/Under Shotgun. Product Family #: 1023116646. List Price: $3199.99. Our Price: $2699.99. SHIPS FREE. $9.99 Shipping. Mixed Availability. Select Barrel Length:The Citori CX is the ideal choice for someone wanting to participate in all three of the major clay target games without having to buy a purpose-built gun for each. Lightweight profile; High post rib; Ventilated top and side ribs. 12 gauge, 3 inch chamber; Chromed chamber. Grade II American walnut, Gloss finish; Inflex recoil pad.Browning used CX, CXS and CXT on the Citori and Cynergy. Believe CX means crossover do they mean it’s good for hunting and clays. Be a bit on heavy site for hunting but meh. Then the CXT be trap variation and CXS be sporting. Can’t remember exactly but they all have a different spread. Believe CXS is a 60/40 and CXT be 70/30. CX be 50/50.Apr 29, 2023 · Cynergy CX - Over & Under Shotgun - Browning. Crossover design with 60/40 POI is ideal for both field and target duties. Includes ventilated top and side ribs, Grade I walnut stock with satin finish, three Invector-Plus Midas Grade choke tubes included,satin blued barrels, ivory front and mid-bead sights. New 20 Gauge Models.Browning Pro Staffers, Foster and Matt Bartholow at Media Day At The Range.A new concept in getting more for your money. The Browning Citori “crossover” shot...The Citori CXS is a versatile over-under shotgun for sporting clays, skeet, and bird hunting. It has a steel receiver, lightweight barrels, Invector Plus chokes, and a Triple Trigger system.Please contact Vero Beach Clay Shooting Sports for further information at (772) 978-0935 and Press 1 for Sales or [email protected] Vero ...In my experience, the 625 Sporting has the most pronounced palm swell of all the Browning Sporting models. If you're left handed, it's best to avoid this particular model unless you happen to find one that's actually a left handed version. That's what I did, and I love my left handed 625 Golden Clays! A Temporarily Displaced Texan.In today’s fast-paced digital world, managing files efficiently is crucial for businesses of all sizes. With the growing amount of data and documents that need to be organized, fin...Nelson Freeman with www.Shotgunlife.com reviews the brand new Browning Citori CXS. Test model has 30" Barrel, Extended Chokes, Adjustable Tirgger, and a Fant...Citori CXS with Adjustable Comb - Over & Under Shotgun - Browning. 60/40 vs 50/50 pattern. "rib height" one has a flat rib . the other has a razed rib. The CXS has a longer LOP. The wife loves her CX as a "do everything" trap / skeet / sporting gun. Not too heavy for her in 30". She did not try a 28". The relatively short LOP was great for a ...Nov 28, 2017 · The Browning Citori CXS is considered to be an entry-level competition gun that can also be used in the field. The shotgun is available in both 12 and 20 gauge, and both are available with 28, 30, or 32 inch barrels. The barrels are non-ported with vented mid-rib and the top rib is flat to the barrels. The top rib configuration fits a head down ...2 Jul 2021 ... I prefer the Citori line. I shot a Cynergy once and didn't like the contours of the stock, but I only shot a few rounds through it.Conclusion. There is genuinely no winner in the Browning Cynergy vs. Citori comparison. On the one hand, we have the Cynergy CX models that feature a 60/40 POI and a light touch. It fits the demands of most shooters both on the range and in the fields. Its Monolock hinge brought a great revolution to the company.Nov 3, 2018 · Help me Choose: Browning Citori CXS or Beretta 686 SP1. So, I've been looking and reading and researching for a sporting shotgun for my son who's taking to Shotgun Clay shooting in the varying sports. He likes them all, Trap, Skeet, Clays, 5 stand, etc. Basically, if there's a clay pigeon being flung, he likes to shoot it. I've been seriously ...The Browning Citori “crossover” shotgun is designed to be adaptable to all the clay target games, - trap, skeet and sporting clays - and still be adept in the game field without being too heavy or cumbersome to carry all day long. The Citori CX is the ideal choice for someone wanting to participate in all three of the major clay target ...Browning Citori CXS White Adjustable Comb Over/Under Shotgun. Product Family #: 1023116646. List Price: $3199.99. Our Price: $2699.99. SHIPS FREE. $9.99 Shipping. Mixed Availability. Select Barrel Length:Citori CXS Features. Citori CXS Features. Versatile 50/50 POI is ideal for hunting, sporting clays, and skeet; ... One Browning Place Morgan, UT 84050 800-333-3288Online Firearm Orders. Select firearms are able to be ordered online and shipped to your local Cabela's! More Info. Shop for Browning Citori CX White Over/Under Shotgun at Cabela’s, your trusted source for quality outdoor sporting goods. With our low price guarantee, we strive to offer the lowest everyday prices on the best brands and latest ...When you’re ready to bake up a storm in the kitchen, there’s nothing more frustrating than discovering that your brown sugar has hardened into a solid brick. But fear not. We have ...15487 posts · Joined 2006. #2 · Jan 27, 2016. The Cynergy has a different trigger system than the Citori's. A reverse striker type. I've heard that its difficult to impossible to install a release trigger in the Cynergy. Half of them or more, have a unique recoil pad that is not real popular with shooters who like the conventional look.Citori_CX_. • 3 yr. ago. Compare them for fit. I had the same debate and found the cynergy had too much drop at comb for me and my eye was too low in relation to the rib. Citori cx fit better and I’ve been really happy with it. I shoot mainly trap with it but intend to start sporting clays soon. 1.16 Mar 2015 ... I would look for a used Browning XT or CX ... Brown, When it comes to compact SUVs, the Mazda CX-5 and Toyota RAV4 are two of th, The 101 is a $1000 gun masquerading as a $1500 gun. The CX is a $2000 gun masquerading as a , WinM12. A used field grade Citori or 686 should be priced closer to $1000. The Br, When you’re ready to bake up a storm in the kitchen, there’s nothing more frust, DEG. Depends on your preference. The XS Skeet has a parallel comb. Other than that, and perhaps rib height, any d, In 2017 Browning introduced line extensions to the CX: the CXT primarily for trap, and the CXS for skeet an, My son shoots a CX as and all around competitive gun, Citori CXS Micro. View Hi-Res Image. Discontinued 2, Beretta 686 Siver Pigeon vs Browning Citori Hunter: Welcome to our, 4 Mar 2016 ... Browning Citori Crossover Review - Unboxing 201, Cynergy CX. Crossover design with 60/40 POI is ideal for both f, Citori CXS with Adjustable Comb - Over & Under Shotgun, Conclusion. There is genuinely no winner in the Browning Cynergy, The small brown worms that are found inside houses are often millip, Pros: -The Browning Citori CX White is a lightweight, affordab, Citori 725 Sporting Left-Hand. 2024 SHOT Show Spec, Both guns are built on tried and true platforms and are the .